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2014.01.30

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Mark

Patrick,

Some Preachers in cyber space are sparring like adversaries who "Hate" each other rather than "Love" each other.

I posted that statement 3 times on JD's thread he wouldn't respond to that particular statement.

I will add Joel Osteen (like all of us) are accountable to God. He has made his mistakes and admittedly he has stated his gift isn't an in your face Evangelizer but more of an Encourager.

With many Preachers critically judging each others's Doctrines and Methodologies some of it being extremely toxic and verbally abusive toward each other and toward their congregations, I fail to recognize "love". (1 Corinthians 13:13) Most of whom embrace negativity.

I don't see that flaw in Osteen, nor I have I witnessed him bashing other preachers on a regular basis.
Personally for me with so many rogue Reformed preachers surrounding their ministry in negativity, sometimes it is refreshing to listen to Osteen who's teachings are combined with a Christ/Scripture/Life Coaching Methodology rather than a Sin/Law Centered Methodology embraced by the YYR.

DrJamesAch

A few more observations about Hall, but first to Patrick and Dale Pugh. As stated before your 2 posts, I had already discussed this with Dustin and wrote above that is not what he intended to convey. Dustin and I discussed this on Twitter and he immediately amended the article, to which I immediately retracted my statement after the correction. Now Dustin and I still don't see eye-to-eye on everything, but we did at least clear that matter up!

Now on to JD Hall,

OK JD Hall, just one more question (even though he still has answered my rebuttal to his article)

On your "Downgrade" audio podcast http://pulpitandpen.org/2013/05/23/17/ , at the 7 minute mark, you say that "Southern Baptist missions took me all over the world....to Mosul Iraq" where you slept in the same room as missionaries who were gunned down. This happened on March 16, 2004.

Now, your testimony says that you started college at 17, finished up with the masters I'm assuming at 22 (as you say, 4 years for the BA, and 1 year for the MA) which is when you say you went into business. And this beginning, again as you say, in 1999.

So before I ask my question, let's some this up: 1999, 17 years old, 5 years of college, missions the whole time, LEFT MINISTRY to go into business at age 22. Got it so far?! Good. Let's move on.

SINCE OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM BEGIN IN 2003 AND THE 4 MISSIONARIES WERE GUNNED DOWN IN MARCH 2004, 1) WHEN DID YOU HAVE TIME TO GO TO IRAQ and 2) YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN IRAQ AT THE SAME TIME YOU SAID YOU LEFT THE MINISTRY AND STARTED A BUSINESS.

Now I'll give you the benefit of a doubt, perhaps you have a logical explanation for this.

Also noteworthy is that JD Hall was deleting documentation posted on his website from a reader asking if sexual allegations were reason to leave the Convention. http://pulpitandpen.org/2013/02/28/why-ive-left-the-convention/ and http://thewartburgwatch.com/my-comment-was-deleted/#comment-113088 Now note, that this involves the CALVINIST part of the Southern Baptist Convention, SGM.

It is perfectly clear that to me, that Hall's primary objective is to inundate churches with Calvinism. This reminds of only one notoriously motivated group that specialized in such infiltration tactics-JESUITS.

Either Hall is deliberately embellishing his story to gain more notoriety among Southern Baptists, or he is just a really bad story teller.

Scott Shaver

Notoriety and a bad story teller .... I vote for both.

Dale Pugh

Thanks for the clarification, sir. I don't follow Twitter, nor did I see your statement concerning the article or a retraction.

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