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2011.08.18

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Phil

Peter,

Can you provide examples besides Calvinists and Al Mohler?

Phil

Forgive me. I made that post out of haste and without clarity of thought.

peter lumpkins


Sure. Follow the link I provided above.

With that, I am...
Peter

peter lumpkins

No problem. Have a great afternoon...

With that, I am...
Peter

Bob Hadley

"Seems to me that we swapped one goldfish for another..."

Maybe what we need is a few Piranha for a little while...


Grateful to be in His grip!

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Barry Bishop

Peter, you surprised me with this post. I am curious as to which entrenched conservatives you see as the problem to our convention. I certainly understand and despise the "good ol' boy" system, having grown up in small-town Texas. And nobody likes nepotism. However, I am not concerned by those who are conservative in name AND conviction. I would lump someone like Al Mohler in that category.
In my opinion, those who are the biggest problem in the convention are the ones who wear the conservative badge but are pragmatists rather than biblical. Right now, it looks like those who have the biggest churches or best numbers call the shots. Forget ecclesiology, or methodology--just have a big church and you can be a mover and shaker in the SBC. I don't think this is going to be healthy for the convention long-term. I would like to see leaders who are in churches which are thoroughly committed to the Bible and disciple-making. Just my opinion. Any thoughts?

Tim Rogers

Brother Barry,

You make and interesting observation. You said;

However, I am not concerned by those who are conservative in name AND conviction.
The problem is not what they say about what they believe. The concern we are beginning to see is the rationalization of that "conservative conviction." We are seeing it now as we have our leading conservative cultural voice expressing that there is more to the nature of homosexuality than the Bible expresses. We now have our leading cultural warrior expressing that one that is a homosexual can be forgiven of the sex act but the blood of Jesus is not sufficient to overcome the desire to commit that act again.

Blessings,
Tim

peter

Barry,

Thanks. Well, my point in this little piece addresses more the 'good-ole-boy' network Conservatives have bolted tightly to the floor of the convention. Indeed the bolts are so tight that I'd venture to say that unless the entity head of many of our agencies gave the nod, a person could not become a trustee. If I am correct, the very condition which allowed the success of the CR--the trustees--has turned on its head.

With that, I am...
Peter

Barry Bishop

Peter, you may be right. Time will tell. Let's pray that we in the SBC seek the Lord--that "His kingdom come, and His will be done"--rather than some sort of kingdom we build or desires that we impose. Blessings, brother.

Phil

Tim,

It seems that your thought process just falls short. I have not met one single heterosexual manonce who, after being saved and washed by the blood of Christ, didn't face the temptation or desire to sleep with a woman. It almost sounds like (though I doubt this is true) you are forgetting the fleshly desires that wage war in our flesh.

David

Tim,

You have completely misunderstood all that Dr. Mohler has articulated concerning homosexuality. If you listen to his response to Peter Lumpkin's embarrassing question at the convention, you may have a better idea of what he is saying. Tim was spot on.

David

Sorry, meant to say that Phil was spot on.

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