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Dear Brother,
Wright might be right on this one. The original formula among the states to keep about half of the CP was due to an eary aggressive spirit to promote SS, DT, and other programs of SBC within the state. Today, that aggressive denominationalism within our states does not exist. Likewise, our seminaries have lost funds over the past 20 odd years. A seminary education costs a lot more now than it did in the 1980s or 1990s. I too have gone to 2 such institutions and my wallet was always stretched thin!
In Him,
GA Baptist

peter lumpkins


Thanks for logging on.  Perhaps.  Consider though: a) not only have monies for seminaries remained consistent with all other CP entities which receive CP funding (their slice of the pie is based on percentages; hence, if seminaries got less monies so did all other entities), but also our schools have had dramatic decreases in FTEs. For example, in March of this year, I wrote:

“In the academic year 2005/06, SBTS recorded a FTE*** of 2,223.  In the latest figures for the 2008/09 academic year, however, SBTS posts a FTE*** of 1,836, a whopping loss of 387 students or about 17.4%. No amount of shuffling feet can dance around this significant drop in FTE*** (link)

One has to ask why seminaries which have less students need more money. Also of interest to me is the raw insistence seminaries were not looking to get more money. Yet rhetoric like Wright’s appears to reveal a different yearning.

b) surely you cannot mean Wright is correct about his bizarre suggestion that seminaries are where it’s at when it comes to leadership impetus for global missions. From my side of the swamp, this reveals a fundamental absence of NT focus on the local church and goes against the grain of a genuine GCR in every conceivable way. Perhaps Wright didn’t mean that.  But he surely implied it by the words he used.

Trusting your day well.

With that, I am…


Wes Widner

The more I watch what unfolds in relation to the GCR, the more it seems to me that there are deliberate forces at work within the SBC that are trying to steer it towards a more rigid hierarchal model where power is centralized in a few key places and not diffused among the local bodies of believers. This doesn't bode well at all for the future of the SBC.

peter lumpkins


Thanks. I think you're right. There definitely is an aura of "top down" implementation even with GCR agenda. Another example brought to my attention is the restructuring Frank Page implemented in Nashville. Not that the president cannot do such; he can according to the parameters of the president's profile. However, the restructuring which squeezed out VP Will Hall and Bob Rogers in CP & Stewardship was based upon the EC receiving less funds per the GCR recommendations. The problem is, the GCR recommendations were not to be implemented apart from each entity considering the recommendations separately.

In other words, until the EC actually voted to change the formula that 1% less would be coming into Nashville and 1% more to the IMB, it was not policy. How Dr. Page made this decision apart from this consideration I do not know.

Thanks again, Wes.
With that, I am...

Cory McDonald

I agree with Bryant about the seminaries. If the local church isn't doing a good enough job at training Pastors, Missionaries, and other leaders then who is responsible to do it? All SBC members are able to attend Seminary for way cheaper than "normal" college and university, I am currently attending GGBTS and was able to get 99% of it paid for, but it takes CP monies to accomplish this and to maintain this.

The local church has almost given up on training leaders Pastors in particular. I tried for 6 months to get a internship (get taught) by a couple of SBC Pastors here where I live and after 6 months wasn't any closer to getting that training than I was when I started, so I decided that I needed to do things on my own, so I decided Seminary is where I needed to start, so I'm all for Seminaries getting a big chunk of the CP monies.

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