UPDATE: James White On “You, sir, must be silenced!” by Peter Lumpkins

Update:  Below is the video James White would like to ban uploaded to youtube:

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Anyone remember my little parody video I put together answering James White’s absurd question:  “Anti-caner sites?  What on earth is that?”? (//link) 

Another question:  anyone recall the outrage in White’s tactical squad when John Ankerberg petitioned Youtube to pull Mohammad Khan’s videos?

I thought so.

Well, in light of the two questions above, what is missing from the screen below?

 

Time’s up. My video!

Evidently, the video irritated James White so much, his ministry petitioned Vimeo.com to pull the video based upon copyright infringement.

Hence, the “you,sir, are a liar” strategy has spawned its second child.  Its first was “you, sir, are unregenerate” and now its second is, “you, sir, must be silenced.”

Well, I’m in the process of exploring my own options.  One thing James White needs to know.  I learned it in kick-boxing along time ago: never let your sparring partner know where your soft underbelly lies. It will become his primary target.

I trust you have a great week-end.

With that, I am…

Peter        

Comments

[Craig Daliessio]

Peter, this I know for a fact because of musician friends. If you classify your work as parody and you do not make it available for sale...YouTube will NOT pull it even though the subject of the parody requests that they do. James White is a public figure, (at least one lifelong dream of his was achieved) and with that comes the probability that he will be parodied. (he just screams "make fun of me")
Have at it

[Brian Hutchinson]

Brother Peter,

I do not know this for fact, but knowing something about how Vimeo operates, your "content" doesn't live up to their values and I'm guessing that is why "your" video was removed.

You can see some of these quotes for your self here:
http://vimeo.com/guidelines

"Vimeo is a respectful community of creative people who are passionate about sharing the videos they make"

"we do not allow you to upload videos that are commercial in nature or videos that you did not make yourself"

Speech

The Internet is a wonderful place, but we have all noticed that it can also provide people with the means to insult and harass others without taking the full responsibility for their words. A community that allows that type of behavior will quickly decay, so we insist that while you are on Vimeo you respect the people you encounter and their videos. You are free to disagree, but you are not free to attack people simply for your amusement. If you wouldn't say it to someone's face, don't say it on Vimeo. If you cannot conduct yourself in a respectful manner, you will be removed.

[peter]

Craig,

Thanks. I may upload it to Youtube and see what happens.

Brian,

I fully understand the risky business of parody genre. I have been the brunt end of several spoof sites as well as at least one twitter account. And, though some of the things I find are a bit offensive to me, much of it I must say, I laugh about. What I've not ever done, to my recall, is publicly complain.

That said, I do not agree that my video offended Vimeo's "values." As you rightly suggested, Vimeo is particular about what their site hosts. However, my video did not offend them nor their "values"; instead, because an official petition was submitted by A&O, Vimeo would have breached their policy guidelines on petition submissions had they not unplugged the video.

With that, I am...
Peter

[RazorsKiss]

Actually, Micah had it pulled because it used his graphics.

Feel free to ask him :)

[Shamgar]

Peter,

The problem isn't a parody, nobody really cares if you make parodies, regardless of how we might feel about the content. The reason your video was pulled was that you did not clearly state it was a parody, and because you used the AOMin created content (Logo, opening and closing bumpers for the video, music, etc) instead of generating your own in such a way as to clearly indicate it is a spoof it was a violation of copyright.

Speaking for myself, and not in any official capacity for AOMin but just as a voluntter, parody all you want, just use your own content ok? (And no, if you're wondering, I was not the one to request it be pulled, I'm just familiar with the circumstances.)

MarkB

[peter]

Shamgar & RazorKiss,

A) No, as I stated above, the video was pulled not because it was not a parody and certainly not because I did not label it a parody for crying out loud. Rather the video was pulled because a third party filed an official petition according to Vimeo's stated policy protocol. Nor is copyright infringement on the internet as objective as you seem to suggest, especially pertaining to parody material. In fact, there is a lot of freedom in the interpretation of the criteria.

B) Neither is a person's name mentioned in the claim as RazorKiss mentions. Instead, my notification reads, "This is to notify you that, as a result of a third-party notification by Alpha & Omega Ministries claiming that the material is infringing..." (bold added)

With that, I am,...
Peter

[Shamgar]

I'm not saying it was pulled automatically. Good grief man, does literally everything have to be a battle with you?

Micah filed the notification as he does all of the creative work for A&O. So RK is correct. The issue was not that it wasn't labeled, but that there wasn't sufficient indication of its purpose as a parody, at least in part because of your use of A&O's copyrighted content to produce it.

I also didn't in any way mean to suggest it was objective, I'm just telling you why it happened. Micah saw you were infringing on the copyright of works he had produced exclusively for A&O, and asked that it be taken down.

And at the same time, I'm trying to tell you that all you need to do is make your own parody version of those and put some indication that it's a parody in your video or in your description and you shouldn't have any problems with either Vimeo /or/ Youtube, regardless of what anyone wants to do.

I'm not saying this to give you a hard time, though I'm sure you won't believe it. I haven't even watched the video in question. I have no idea what I would think of it, but even if I knew I would hate it, I have no desire to censor you through draconian copyright legislation.

If you actually knew me, you'd know that this wouldn't be the first time I've helped someone I had deep-rooted disagreements with to be able to say what they wanted. We all have a right to be heard. If what either of us have to say is true, it ought to be able to stand on its own, without silencing the other side.

[Daniel]

Peter,

Do you have a link to where Dr. White expressed "outrage" about Ankerberg contacting YouTube? Or are you just referring to the "outrage" of others that you deem "White’s tactical squad"?

If the former, please provide said link so as to establish context. If the latter, Dr. White cannot be held accountable for the actions of others and the use of "James White needs to know..." would be a fallacy of equivocation.

I look forward to your response.

[Daniel]

Peter,

I forgot to ask the following:

Ankerberg had a video detailing contradictions spoken by Dr. Caner pulled from YouTube. Is that correct? Basically it was a Muslim attempting to share video evidence against Dr. Caner. Right?

If so, how is that equal to AOMin having your video pulled? Khan's was a video providing evidence. Your's was a video providing nothing but ridicule. Khan's provided substance and had a worthy goal in mind; that is, exposing lies. Your's was only made to bring down a brother in Christ.

I look forward to your answers.

[Craig Daliessio]

Oh look...it's the Boy Wonder! Oh Danny Boy...it shivers me timbers when you call Jimmy a "brother in Christ". It reminds me that even the family of God has a "That side". There are those amongst us...myself included who have seen the MoKhan video and who have doubts. And if that wasn't intended to bring down a brother in Christ, what was? Oh wait...you openly claim Ergun isn't even a Christian.
In fact, you've proclaimed unregenerate on virutally everyone on this page...so...why are you here?

[volfan007]

Dspratlin,

Are you for real? Man, your statements, and the statements from the White-ites over copyright infringements and such junk are hilariously arrogant and ego filled....kind of like watching Barney Fife on the Andy Griffith Show.

Good grief, get over yourselves.

David

[Wes Widner]

Peter, I agree with Craig's first post. YouTube should be more friendly to parody content than Vimio is. And if that doesn't work then there are several options available for hosting your own videos. Heck, just to irritate James White and company I would volunteer to host the videos and happily respond to any bogus "copyright infringement" claims they want to erroneously charge you with.

[Don Johnson]

Dspratlin,

I don't have a link, but Mr. White expressed his "outrage" on the DL immediately following the news the video was removed. At that point it was believed LU had it removed. Mr. White warned they better not try that with his videos.

[peter]

Shamgar,

I looked back over my comment to see precisely what I could have written to give the impression of being argumentative. I don't quite know what to say. I answered as straight-forwardly as I know how concerning this assertion you made; "The reason your video was pulled was that you did not clearly state it was a parody, and because you used the AOMin created content..." Neither of these reasons is why the video was pulled. If correcting your misconception is "a battle," what else can I say?

DSpratlin,

You're too funny. "Equivocation"? What a super colossal West Georgia hoot! You guys must keep a 'short list' of 'logical fallacies' you can cite to people with whom you communicate right beside your keyboard. I envision a chart with checkmarks, etc where you can note all the different 'fallacies', making sure you get around to pointing out every 'fallacy' on your list, and also to make sure you don't become lopsided and focus too much on your favorite 'fallacy' to cite. Today it's "equivocation". Tomorrow it's "genetic fallacy."

Just think, a simple statement like I've made...not a case I've made or an argument I've composed...rather a simple matter-of-fact statement I made and you suggest you perceive the logical fallacy of 'equivocation.'

Continue on, DSpratlin, continue on!

With that, I am...
Peter

[A.M. Mallett]

If you actually knew me, you'd know that this wouldn't be the first time I've helped someone I had deep-rooted disagreements with to be able to say what they wanted. We all have a right to be heard. If what either of us have to say is true, it ought to be able to stand on its own, without silencing the other side.

If I actually knew you I might ask why would such a thing be pulled in the first place except out of animosity?

[peter]

Wes,

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind. I plan to upload to youtube when I get back to my office.

With that, I am...
Peter

[Craig Daliessio]

Those are talking points Peter. DSpratlin gets them daily from the secret bunker in Phoenix. It's a James Carville-esque tactic, they used to call them "Seminar callers" in the Clinton years. The toadies get explicit orders on how to co-opt entire conversations, only now it's blog threads. Your topic could be spaying and neutering field mice and DSprat would pirate it and make it about Ergun Caner. Debbie Kaufman has mastered it for her master by converting pedophile priests and one murderous baptist preacher into some sort of twisted "evidence" against Ergun. I think she will, any moment now, be turning into a pillar of salt and James White will be lugging her around, scraping her into his soup a little at a time like "History of the World". I am starting to enjoy it now...because their desperation is screaming. Their self-marginalization is a pleasure to watch. They are about 30 seconds from being lumped into the same steaming pile as Fred Phelps and his inbreeds.

Oh and by the way...here is Josh McDowell's VERY different take on the Dearborn Arab Festival...I'm guessing that Josh will be joining the ranks of the unregenerate by Thursday,

http://openaudiovideo.moody.edu/OSAM/OSAM/ASX/Audio/wma/Radio/WMBI-TMR/2010-06/McDowellDearbornArabFestivalEdited.asx

Number 25 in your programs...number 1 in your hearts...

[selahV]

Craig, what a wonderful audio of Josh McDowell's experience in Dearborn. What a mission field that is. Thanks for sharing that. May the Lord sent for laborers next year. If God be for us, who can be against us? selahV

[selahV]

that should be "may the Lord send forth laborers". I need more coffee. :) selahV

[Steve Allem]

Peter,

Apparently no one is to create any parody images of JW, in the same vein as no one is to do so with Mohammed. Be looking for a Fatwa from JW or one of his minions against you should you try again!! :o)

Oh wait...you already have two fatwas issued...You Sir are a Liar and You Sir are Unregenerate .. I forgot... lol ... I laugh at the hypocrisy of the Whiteheads...and even JW himself. Very thin skin he has.

[Craig Daliessio]

I think the real reason White has such an issue with your parodies Peter, is they consume valuable bandwidth and slow down the loading time for all the parodies he has on his site attacking Ergun Caner.

unregenerately yours...

[Debbie Kaufman]

I would like to hear the answers to Daniel's questions.

[Craig Daliessio]

I would like Daniel to lose his voice forever. Debbie, since Ergun is Turkish, maybe you could blame him for all the cancer caused by Camel cigarettes. They are a Turkish blend after all.
Why don't you and Daniel go to either of your blog sites and ask each other questions?

[peter]

Micah Burke

You're waisting your time commenting here; nothing you write will be posted. Your nasty practice of dubbing believers "God-haters" is so fundamentally obnoxious, were you to desire to publicly apologize, your apology would not even post here. I suggest you log your complaints elsewhere.

With that, I am...
Peter

[Byroniac]

I know I left this blog, but I too agree with Debbie Kaufman, and would like to hear answers to Daniel's questions.

[peter]

I am confused exactly who this mystery guy Daniel is. I assume it is David. If so, I have answered all David's questions, to my recall, except the last one which, as I've indicated, I am not going to answer. Not because there is no answer; rather because there is no end to the questions which possess any substance.

With that, I am...
Peter

[Craig Daliessio]

Daniel is DSpratlin, Peter. See the Whiteheads are a close knit cult...err fraternity and they know each other by first name. Nothing builds camaraderie like godless hatred.

The Big Scary guy

[peter]

Craig,

Thanks for the tip. I had no idea.

Byron & Debbie,

As for an answer, I suggest you read my response to "Daniel." I've grown tired of playing the silly games by internet "debaters" trained by James White on chat channels. If ya'll like that stuff, be my guest (for the record, Debbie ought to know who was "outraged" over her friend's videos being "pulled" from Youtube; she was one of them :^)

With that, I am...
Peter