I had a conversation with a good friend yesterday on the phone. One curiosity we discussed concerned what can only be described as an odd silence on nominees for president of the Southern Baptist Convention. Making it harder to predict is the even odder platform for the pastor's conference...
The person I predicted two years ago to be the next president of the Southern Baptist Convention--Ted Traylor, Senior Pastor of Olive Baptist Church, Pensacola, Fl--is conspicuously absent from the pastor's conference lineup. And, as my friend quickly and rightly reminded me, if the nominee does not preach at a pre-convention event, the nominee will not be president. For the most part, I had to concede his point.
There may be at least one exception to that precedent since the latter quarter of the 20th century, however. Did Frank Page preach at the 2006 Pastor's Conference? I can't remember. In fact, with no personal offense intended toward Dr. Page, who even heard of Frank Page nationally before 2006?
On the other hand, my friend's favorite to pull the nomination for president is on the pastor's conference lineup--Ken Whitten, Senior Pastor, Idlewild Baptist Church, Tampa, Fl. I think my friend (whom I'm sure if he's right, I may release his name--for sure WITH permission) may be on to something. We'll see.
Another name I mentioned was Dr. Danny Akin. He's definitively the poster-boy for the GCRTF, and, prior to that, the GCR launch with his "axioms" message. He's also preaching at the pastor's conference. Yet a loss to him would be devastating for his now, untarnished image among young twenty-somethings.
Ronnie Floyd is another possibility. His mega-church ministry in northwest Arkansas notwithstanding, the chairmanship of the GCRTF has credited him more influence among the "young, restless, and Reformed," the pond in which Danny Akin and Al Mohler so diligently fish. He's even using their terminology now: "Christ-Follower," "gospel-centered," etc. On the other hand, like Akin--or even more than Akin because Floyd already lost the presidency once to the unknown I mentioned above--a loss could drive Dr. Floyd either into abject obscurity (at least on a national level) or permanent self-abasement.
Alas, however, given Dr. Floyd is absent from the pastor's conference roster, it remains distant hope given even the best conditions otherwise. It may be Dr. Floyd has his sights fixed on Nashville, Tennessee to sit where his good friend, Dr. Chapman sat come September. Personally, as great a pastor-evangelist as Dr. Floyd has been and continues to be, I'm afraid he's got less hope of sitting where Dr. Chapman now faithfully sits than my chance of being nominated as 4th Vice President of the Southern Baptist Convention.
So who then will be the next president of the Southern Baptist Convention? It's surely hard to say who will actually be president, but I'm going to go out on a limb and predict whom I think the young and restless young Baptists may very well support--C.J. Mahaney.
Mahaney is in fact on the platform to preach. Hence, the necessary element for being both nominated and winning the presidency is in the pan. However, being on the pastor's conference platform remains insufficient to make presidential pudding. What other ingredients are a part of the recipe?
First, a charismatic personality is a must. And, Mahaney is charismatic--literally. Mahaney made his initial mark in Christian subculture as a converted dope-addict in the charismatic movement, a tongues and healing movement beginning in the late sixties--to early seventies.
A movement touching most every protestant denomination in America as well as Catholic communities, the charismata did not affect Southern Baptists in large until the eighties. Stalwart Southern Baptists, many of whom were regular preachers on the pastor's conference circuit, were then swept away with the movement. Men like Jack Taylor whose book, Prayer: Life's Limitless Answer, I virtually had memorized at one time, slipped into some pretty weird circles as I recall.
The fiery Texas evangelist, James Robison, a man after whom, as a young believer myself, I longed to be mentored, also went theologically bananas after the charismata. After a few years of traveling in quirky circles, he switched focus. It was too late for him to go back to gospel crusades, however. He now is doing worthy Christian service in humanitarian aid.
Oops! We were talking about C.J. Mahaney.
Yes, Mahaney is charismatic. But while that used to be a turn-off in Reformed circles, scholars Wayne Grudem and Jack Deere changed all that. Grudem's keen theological mind and Deere's prestigious textual expertise as both a notable Hebrew and Greek scholar, put charismatics into mainstream evangelical respect. Hence, being charismatic and being Reformed is now theologically cool.
Also, not only is C.J. Mahaney charismatic, he is also a good supporter of Southern Baptists. At every opportunity, he pushes books by Southern Baptist authors--especially Al Mohler and Mark Dever. Furthermore, he not only touts support, he shows support with cash--serious cash.
For example, unless I misunderstood the cash contributions recorded for Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, C.J. Mahaney is one of the largest contributors to our seminary outside the Cooperative Program. Listed on the latest "President's Council," an exclusive class of givers who personally donate in excess of $100,000, is C.J. Mahaney (//link, pages 36, 43).
But that's not all.
Also is listed in the "President's Council" apart from individual donors under the section for organizations is Sovereign Grace Ministries. Hence, C. J. Mahaney's organization gave an additional $100K and/or more to Southern Seminary (p.43). Some more cash came to Southern Seminary via Mahaney's church--Covenant Life Church--but it was only pocket change: the class of contributors which gives but between $15K to $25K (p.44).
My own guess is, Kevin Ezell met Mahaney through his church member, Al Mohler, who probably was excited to introduce him to Dr. Ezell due to Mahaney's superfluous support of Southern Baptist work via Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Whatever took place, the magic happened and Mahaney got an invitation to address convention attendees.
Therefore, since:
- C.J. Mahaney is preaching at the 2010 Southern Baptist Pastor's Conference
- C.J. Mahaney is a very, VERY charismatic preacher
- C.J. Mahaney supports Southern Baptists by supporting at least two Southern Baptists' books--Mohler and Dever
- C.J. Mahaney has apparently given, just over the last few years, close to a whopping quarter-mil$$$ to Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, making him a living, breathing cash-cow no one will soon butcher...
I believe C.J. Mahaney may very well be among the next nominees for president of the Southern Baptist Convention.
I know, I know. The skeptic is yelling through my computer screen at me: "Peter! Mahaney can't be president because Mahaney is not Southern Baptist, you West Georgia nitwit!"
Granted.
But I contend that C.J. Mahaney is in many ways as much Southern Baptist as many of the young & restless are. Hence, they don't notice the difference.
Besides.
From what I have heard, some among the younger Southern Baptists do not realize parliamentary procedures prohibit the nomination of someone like C.J. Mahaney. After all, Southern Baptist polity is hardly their strongest suit, you know.
Hence, my prediction as one nominee for president of the Southern Baptist Convention is C. J. Mahaney.*
*Yes. I am still kidding around. No way will C.J. Mahaney become president...yet...
So now that you have criticized a large segment of Southern Baptist life for an event that hasn't even happened, what will you do when the event doesn't happen at all?
Posted by: Chris Roberts | 2010.02.19 at 01:31 PM
Dear Chris,
My advice:
stop...
think...
grab a latte...
enjoy...
It's Friday man. Lighten up.
With that, I am...
Peter
Posted by: peter | 2010.02.19 at 01:47 PM
"The world will know that you are my disciples by the way that you sarcastically mock and demean your brothers who disagree with you."
Posted by: Scott Slayton | 2010.02.19 at 04:46 PM
Dear Scott,
Read advice to Chris. It will help you. I trust your weekend better than today.
With that, I am...
Peter
Posted by: peter | 2010.02.19 at 04:54 PM
Since we all know it is okay to mock and demean so long as you claim, "I was just trying to be funny!"
Posted by: Chris Roberts | 2010.02.19 at 05:54 PM
Peter, I would encourage you to read Mahaney's Living the Cross-Centered Life or Humility. You would discover that Mahaney's popularity has very little do with his views on spiritual gifts or the amount of money that he gives to SBTS. (I have been listening to and reading Mahaney for 7 years and did not know about his donations to SBTS until I read it in this post.)
Posted by: Scott Slayton | 2010.02.19 at 06:09 PM
Peter, you wrote, "A loss could drive Dr. Floyd either into abject obscurity (at least on a national level) or permanent self-abasement."
That is hilarious! I wonder if anyone takes the presidency of the SBC that seriously. It's a popularity contest anyway. Nothing more.
p.s. Mahaney for president!
Posted by: Darby Livingston | 2010.02.19 at 10:15 PM
Peter,
God created a unique thing when he created your brain. GREAT work here even for those who lack clear understanding .
Posted by: Tim G | 2010.02.19 at 11:43 PM
Chris & Scott,
Yawn, yawn...
With that, I am...
Peter
Posted by: peter | 2010.02.20 at 07:55 AM
Darby,
Thanks. Bro. You did get it...
Tim,
One thing is for sure, Tim: you've been talking to my wife. She ever tells me "I've never met anyone like you!!!" But it's usually in the context of a disagreement for some reason. What's up with that? :^O
With that, I am...
Peter
Posted by: peter | 2010.02.20 at 08:01 AM
One thing has become evident from the comments here- those who would question you or point to resources have no sense of humor. Those who tell you how uniquely brilliant you are "get it." With all due respect, you need to get over yourself.
Posted by: Scott Slayton | 2010.02.20 at 09:55 AM
Scott,
May the Lord bless you and keep you...
and may His face shine upon you...
...and give you peace.
With that, I am...
Peter
Posted by: peter | 2010.02.20 at 10:13 AM
This is prose just the way I like it- mean-n-nasty. Keep it commin' and make us proud. You shur r smart too. I like the way you debate them 4-pointers an' intellectually reformed types an even them ar' non-cecessionists while really ignoring ever word they've said. Keep it up.
Blessings,
Bubba Thicktongue
Posted by: Bubba Thick-tongue | 2010.02.20 at 04:07 PM
Dear BT-t
Thanks for your commentary. I'll allow it to stand without signature, but only once. Do not come back anonymously. I have a horrible allergic reaction to them.
With that, I am...
Peter
P.S. Just an FYI: when one signs in and comments from the same IP address used before under a different name, the IP, of course, remains the same for both identities...
Posted by: peter | 2010.02.20 at 04:51 PM
Peter,
Tell us who Bubba is. We'd all like to know who tried to pull this silly stunt. Who does it look like?
David :)
PS. I bet I can guess it.
Posted by: volfan007 | 2010.02.20 at 04:57 PM
It's not funny. It's ridiculous.
Kevin
Posted by: kschaub | 2010.02.21 at 04:19 PM
Yawn,
Are we supposed to take this seriously?
Signed,
A "Young, restless and Reformed" Jermiah.
FYI...IP addies can be the same if used in a computer lab. Different people same computer...
Posted by: Jeremiah Davies | 2010.02.21 at 10:38 PM
Je D,
Not necessarily. Though it would surely assist us all if you care to dispute any of the factual data behind the post.
Have a great Monday.
With that, I am...
Peter
P.S. Yes I am aware of the IP lab thingy. Ironically, Je D, your own IP is the same as a notable Calvinist who often has commented here, which is also used as yet another commenter! I sent him an email to see if you've been logging on his computer lab ;^)
Posted by: peter | 2010.02.22 at 09:44 AM
Dear Kevin,
Thankz!
With that, I am...
Peter
Posted by: peter | 2010.02.22 at 09:47 AM
Hum,
I would like to see this "Factual data". Links would be nice. What I read above is a personal tirade.
I think what you have presented is a failed attempt at humor to call out or possible belittle those whom you call the "young, restless and Reformed" (I will presume those you disagree with). It seems to be nothing short of a internal rant thrown up on a blog. Hey I could be wrong.
A question though. Who would you have as president of the SBC? What would they have to do to gain your personal approval?
If those of us who disagree with you are what you call "young, restless and Reformed", what do you call those who would agree with you? "old, stubborn, and Traditional"? I would hope not. I would like to think that SBCers are more open minded than that.
Those of us that are young are not as naive as you might think. We do know the Parliamentary Procedures. We are not so far removed from the SBC that we would think C.J could be our next president... Though he might do a pretty good Job if he was Southern Baptist and could fill that role.
A "young (but not to young), (very)restless, and (Biblically)Reformed"
Je D
P.S. The IP thingy I can't explain. Interesting though. :D
Posted by: Jeremiah Davies | 2010.02.22 at 05:36 PM
"Thrown up" sounds about right.
Kevin
Posted by: kschaub | 2010.02.22 at 10:37 PM
Dear Kevin & Je D
It's obvious neither of you have the warm fuzzies when you read this post. Now that you've both logged it--at least twice each--I trust you'll not leave any more droppings around.
Thanks in advance.
With that, I am...
Peter
Posted by: peter | 2010.02.22 at 11:18 PM
Peter,
It is sad that you will not engage those that you attempt to run over with you bus here. Or is it that you just can't give evidence to back up your claims?
Je D
Posted by: Jeremiah Davies | 2010.02.22 at 11:41 PM
"It's not funny. It's ridiculous."
"Are we supposed to take this seriously?"
"What I read above is a personal tirade. I think what you have presented is a failed attempt at humor..."
Now, Je D: about what am I to engage?
If you think I am going to waste my time tit/tatting back and forth about whether your think I was funny or not, think again.
Now, before you respond, I'd like you to email me and verify your identity. I WILL NOT converse with an anon. or someone who is not being forthright with their identity. Hence, the email.
With that, I am...
Peter
Posted by: peter | 2010.02.23 at 12:02 AM
Peter,
In all seriousness, who would like to see as the next president of the SBC? (And why?)
Posted by: James Galyon | 2010.02.23 at 10:24 AM
I think you’re off mark Peter. It will be a dark horse candidate, mysteriously coming like a horseman from the apocalypse, thus no need for Roberts Rules for fools. A stud indeed will be the man on the steed, handing out judgment to all who fail to live missionally (or at least embracing the cool terminology). This uber p90x user, this lean machine who gathers stats and makes PPT scream, indeed his name is no mystery to the informed. Wait you’ll see the man in O’ville, the renaissance of all restless, the uniter of the unsettled, the rewarder of the cool. ;^)
Too funny---
Posted by: chris Gilliam | 2010.02.23 at 10:58 AM
Having met C.J. personally, having gone to school with a former staff member of their flagship church, and having been blessed greatly by Sovereign Grace ministries I couldn't listen to this idle chatter any longer.
Look, I don't mind if you want to toe the line of slander regarding C.J. ("And, Mahaney is charismatic--literally. Mahaney made his initial mark in Christian subculture as a converted dope-addict" which you then parlay into an ad-hominem on the charismatic movement.) Keep on shooting your flaming arrows and claiming you are only joking. Please. It gives all the more credibility to your condemnation of smears on Ergun Caner.
Posted by: Paul Butterworth | 2010.03.01 at 10:36 AM
Dear Mr. Butterworth,
Thank you. But I did not know I wrote anything here that was suppose to be a joke. Nor is it hardly slander to state the factual.
And what is so wrong about being a converted dope-addict? I am a converted booze-addict. And, if someone described me as such, I would not think it slanderous.
Now if someone said, 'former fake converted dope-addict', one may have a point about slander. What do you think?
As for speaking of the Charismatic movement, well, I'm unsure what all the fuss is. The 'quirky' and 'weird' I attached to two individuals who did fall into...well, the 'quirky' and 'weird.' Hence, I made no generalization that all charasmatics were 'quirky' and 'weird'.
I also noted two other individuals who swung the charismatic mvmt. back into mainstream evangelicalism (Grudem & Deer). Looks pretty balanced to me.
Now what this has to do with the Caner posts is well beyond my pay-grade for sober-reasoning.
Hope you have a great day, Mr. Butterworth.
With that, I am...
Peter
Posted by: peter | 2010.03.01 at 11:42 AM