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2010.01.15

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Tom Parker

Peter:

Why do you believe that PP and Jerry Vines are hereos?

Tom Parker

Peter:

Do you think PP would have ever allowed Lottie Moon a woman to become a missionary and do the things she did when she was an actual missionary? It is very likely that she did in fact "Preach the Gospel."

Tim G

Vines is one of my heroes! Love his post! He is correct!

peter

Tom,

A fair question. Mainly because of their courageous role in the Conservative Resurgence, affecting the entire direction of the SBC. Not to forget, however, each man's theological maturity and moral integrity have stood the test of time. Both men have biblicism for blood. And neither man buckled under massive amounts of onslaught flowing against them, sometimes even from friends.

Moral scandal followed neither man. Nor did either seek to accumulate massive amounts of wealth though both had opportunities to do so. They viewed themselves as simple gospel preachers instead.

Also, both men have a record of mentoring young preachers. And, both men are the "little guy's" best supporters. Either man would just as well preach in a tiny rural church of 50 members as the mega-church of 5,000.

This makes them, in my view, heroes for Southern Baptists.

Have a great weekend.

With that, I am...
Peter

Tom Parker

Peter:

I earlier asked you:"Do you think PP would have ever allowed Lottie Moon a woman to become a missionary and do the things she did when she was an actual missionary? It is very likely that she did in fact "Preach the Gospel."


What say you to my question?

peter

Tom,

Your first question was fair, your second entirely unfair.

Tell you what, though. If you're really interested in knowing the answer, here's how to do it: write to....

Dr. Paige Patterson
Office of the President
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
2001 W. Seminary Drive
Fort Worth, TX 76115

...and simply ask.

With that, I am...
Peter

Tom Parker

Peter:

You and I both know the answer. He would never in a minute have let her go. Thankfully he was not there to stop her. He is all gushy over her in public but his position on women is well known. Does Dr. Klouda come to mind?

You claim PP as one of your heroes. I count him as one of the main contributors to the decline of the SBC, and it continues.

Thanks for his address but I really do not need it.

peter

Tom,

Look, brother. Take it elsewhere if you want to blast chatacter. I'm uninterested in any conversation about what's in Dr. Patterson's mind, when I don't know and I know you don't know. And you just conceded you're uninterested in knowing!

Nor especially about Dr. Klouda.

And, if you count neither man as a Southern Baptist hero, I think you're perfectly entitled to hold that view just as Tony Cartledge holds the Unitarian Toy as a Baptist hero.

With that, I am...
Peter

Tom Parker

Peter:

Why is it always "take it somewhere else" if they disagree with you.

You see PP as one of your heroes--that is fine with you.

I see him as contributing to the decline of the SBC and that is not fine with you.

Fine.

peter

Tom

I'll tell, you, Tom, it's "not always" and it's not "if they disagree" with me. Instead, it's when one cannot seem to make clear distinctions between disagreement on the one hand and pitching flame rounds toward others on the other hand.

I asserted in my post Drs. Vines & Patterson "qualify nicely for such an honor" as 'hero' and implied Crawford Toy did not (because of Unitarianism). That's it. That's all I asserted and implied. Indeed it was a passing assertion at that, for my post was really encouraging readers to check out Dr. Vines' view on CP support.

You come along and ask what I thought was a fair question. Why are Vines & Patterson heroes? O.K. I told you.

Not enough, you must come back and press the second question. Why? Because you are bound & determined to bring up the Klouda tragedy.

My response? I explicitly said the latter question was unfair because neither I have no definitive way of knowing what Dr. Patterson thinks concerning your question.

What do you do? Instead of saying, "Fair enough, Peter. I guess from some of the decisions Dr. Patterson has made in the past, I feel I could guess what he may say. For that reason, I remain unsure whether I would class him a 'hero'."

Did you say something like that?

Nope. What you do, Tom, is come back and insult.

"You and I both know the answer." So I'm lying or what?

"He would never in a minute have let her go." Who says, you?

"Thankfully he was not there to stop her." Invalid assumption. Argumentative.

"He is all gushy over her in public but his position on women is well known." So Dr. Patterson is a hypocrite.

"You claim PP as one of your heroes." That's right and I sincerely but naively told you why. I was baited! You obviously were not sincere in asking. What you desired to do instead is trash Dr. Patterson.

"I count him as one of the main contributors to the decline of the SBC, and it continues." I conceded your perfect right to hold this view, Tom. What you fail to see is your perpetual flame rounds you lob. Had you written this and this alone, I would not be having this childish exchange with you.

"Thanks for his address but I really do not need it." Fine. Nonetheless, insisting on your own opinion of somebody's answer to a question you have of their view but stubbornly unwilling to explore a definitive answer from the person whom you question represents exactly what in drawing sober conclusions, Tom? For me, it represents intentional ignorance.

That's why, Tom. That's why. It's not "everyone" or every time someone disagrees. It's when someone like yourself comes and does not know how to disagree apart from spewing insults. That may be the price you pay for just hanging out on blogs which thrives on cutting people up. One may become calloused and undiscerning.

Not here...Not here, Tom. Not again...


With that, I am...
Peter

David R. Brumbelow

Peter,
I agree. Jerry Vines and Paige Patterson have long been heroes of mine as well. God has used them greatly in our Southern Baptist Convention.
David R. Brumbelow

volfan007

Peter,

I agree with David B. And, what you have had with Tom is a pattern with him.

David

Tommy Kiker

Thanks for your post Peter. I'm grateful to the Southern Baptist Heroes that I respect who have held true to the gospel, many through much persecution.

I also wonder if many that claim to follow Christ, think that hurtful words, gossip, and slander don't count as long as you do it on a blog?

Tom Parker

Tommy Kiker:

Are you kidding me--"Who has persecuted PP?

Tim G

Tom,
I see that you are making the rounds again. Still do not know why you cannot let things go from your past but man, you gotta find a solution.

And to you last question, are you serious that you do not know the answer? That is almost FUNNY!

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