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John Lofton:

Peter Lumpkins is not a Calvinist (though he once was).

Though I am a Calvinist, sites like yours bother me because it seems that you desire an Old Testament-style theocracy only using New Testament terminology and Gentile believers instead of Jewish ones. We live in New Covenant times, in a Kingdom which is inside of us and not of the world. I believe the ultimate outcome of your theological viewpoint is the death of religious liberty.

John 18:36 (ESV)

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”


John Lofton:

I should have said, that I believe the ultimate outcome of your theological viewpoint is the death of religious liberty and the right to dissent. This does not agree with Baptist principles. I would become a so-called "Progressive" Baptist at once rather than labor to establish a misguided theonomy which must eventually become repressive and authoritarian.

No way!

peter lumpkins


And your point would be?

With that, I am...


Dave Miller

Another question, designed to irritate.

I am not attending the conference, but I would like to.

However, it is my impression (though, per our recent discussion, I cannot footnote the discussion) that I have read blog assertions that this is not an "anti-Calvinist" conference. Yet, the subject matter is the Five Points, each addressed by a prominent non-calvinist.

For clarity: I am a calvinist (little c - I struggle with limited atonement and I do not make the "doctrines of grace" the sum-total of my ministry).

I would like to hear the messages (I'm sure they will be available for purchase later).

But, what is actually the nature and purpose of this conference?

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