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2008.07.10

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volfan007

Peter,

Help me to understand this. Are they saying that the systematic preaching and teaching of the Bible is not the way to go? Are they saying that expository preaching would be a bad thing? If so, then I have more problems with all of this emergent church stuff than ever.

David

Scott Gordon

Peter,

I discovered a fitting confirmation to my conclusions regarding the Emerging, Emergent, Friend of Emergent "Church" yesterday when I read in the MBC Pathway that Brian McLaren is throwing his support behind the candidacy of Sen. Obama...not that Sen. McCain is any prize to speak of, but the Democrat Senator from Illinois has certainly done nothing to recommend himself to Christians who tenaciously cling to the Bible and its infallible authority for our lives.

SOLA GRATIA!

Strider

Wow, if you judge a movement by the Presidential Candidate one guy endorses that says more about you than them.

But, I am yet going to be patient with the Emergent crowd. I had a unique opportunity in my own spiritual journey as I went to Middle Earth in 1996 and was able to minister in a place that had no established Church. I left the US very burned out on 'traditional' church and was able to reform my theology of the church in a vacuum of sorts. But one thing I feel strongly about and that is the Church is the Bride of Christ. She is not what she is intended to be- what she will yet become. We can all rest assured that Christ is building and changing His Church. We will change. But when we speak to Christ's Bride we must do so with respect. The EC crowd will do us a favor by speaking prophetically and they are putting their hands on some real issues but they will do themselves a favor if they treat His Bride with respect and not demean her.
I will definitely get the book and see if they are going on a journey similar to mine or if they are going down a road that should not be traveled.

Baptman

Peter,
The Emergents are the new liberals. They deny the clarity and infallibility of the Bible. It is also a group who have a liberal political agenda and I cringe to think that anyone would consider them evangelical (in its purest sense). We need to pray that God would deliver them and deliver the church from them.

Scott Gordon

Strider,

It is not the political candidate...it is the advocacy of ideals and the very statements the Democrat candidate has made concerning conservative, Bible-believing Christians who must drop their biblical basis for convictions when they come to the marketplace of ideas so as to not be offensive...unless a secular validation can be brought to the issue, then the political will cannot be formulated to support that issue...that idea, from the Democrat Senator, is untenable...but seemingly is pot problematic for someone like McLaren who already wants us to reformulate Christianity to 'fit' (read that as be acceptable, palatable to) a postmodern mindset.

The wishy-washy, oozey-goozey, mind of the emerging-emergent-don't call us a church-we are a movement-no, we are a conversation...it's like trying to nail jello to a wall...it might be sweet but has no solid substance.

SG!

Liz

I have to wonder about an Emergent church that I know that is in the SBC. If they are so against denominationalism, why stay in the SBC?

Liz

Strider

Congratulations Scott you bought Dobson's take on Obama's speech hook, line, and sinker and proved what the emergent group has been saying all along. We don't listen and we don't communicate. Obama was not saying that YOU couldn't have a biblical conviction he was saying that if you want to convince an atheist of your position you might try doing something other than quoting Bible verses that had no authority for him. He said the same for the secularist- if they want to talk to us they needed to stop insulting our faith. He was talking about how to move agendas forward in the public square not how to live our own personal lives. He was very clear in his speech on this but Dobson- and apparently you only hear what you want to hear. Which again, is what the emergent crowd accuses us of: We don't listen to people, therefore we do not know who they are, and therefore we do not communicate the gospel to them. Then we wring our hands and say, 'We gave it our best shot, their blood is not on our hands!' No, we have not given it our best shot. We have not listened and we have not loved.
Again, this is me speaking- I don't know the emergent guys too well so I should not speak for them but for some reason your comment got me writing!

Scott Gordon

Strider,

Glad to know I hit the right button! When one denies homosexuality is sin...When one diminishes or even disavows the exclusivity of Christ...When one belittles those "Bible clingers"...am I to be castigated for not really listening and thus must allow for one like the Democrat Senator or the leading "spokesman" for the ECM to be supported when they wish to reject scriptural truth?? One's such as I have mentioned are certainly welcome to their perspectives...and I will duly note when their beliefs run contrary to biblical truth.

By the way, you don't know that I didn't listen to the Democrat Senator in his entirety... or that I read or listened to Dr. Dobson's report, or heard the speech with commentary from secular political talk radio. You assume too much with your last comment.

And finally, just a couple of things...

I do believe I was talking within the Democrat Senator's context...the moving of ideas in the public arena (but, just for argument's sake, don't many issues of public import impact private/personal ethics and morality?) Saying that a Christian politician must defend his advocacy of a position on a purely secular basis in the political arena simply because non-believing atheists are present is the height of absurdity. The converse of that statement might also be proffered...since Christians exist in the political arena, all atheists must speak their points of view from a theist's perspective. My problem with the Democrat Senator stems from his constant--not just one-time--dismissive attitude toward Bible-centered Christians and their (my) world view.

I have no problem with seeing many of the assessments the ECM has made about Christianity as profitable for our consideration...the suggested solutions to the said challenges we face in our world today is the problem I have with this 'movement.'

SG!

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