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so, peter, i take it that you'd see no way for us to join with the methodists, or the presbyterians, or the assembly of Gods, or the pentecostals in order to fulfill the great commission? that there'd be no way for us to join together to start churches?

david :)

peter lumpkins


Thanks for asking. Actually, this sermon represents what evidently a significant majority of Baptists believed the second part of the 19th century. Mr Carter appears relatively bold in asserting such.

But, the answer to your question is while I believe much can and ought to be accomplished in Great Commission causes thru cooperation with those 'evangelicals' who name the name of Jesus and surrender to the same Lord as do we, the reality is, from my understanding of Biblical ecclesiology, there is little hope of assisting one another in planting/organizing new Churches.

From what I glean from this "City Church" concept, I think it could only be a disaster for the health of a robust Doctrine of the Church. That is my view exclusively; but I also think it is the core belief of Baptists in past generations.

Grace, David. With that, I am...




i agree with you. now, if only the world of christendom could see it all like us!

david :)


Do not underestimate the grace and power of God guys! I have been able to work alongside men and women of many persuasions without sacrificing any Baptist distinctives. In our Muslim context Pedobaptist have had to resort to baptizing adults and as a result they have no reason to argue with us. Our ministry has attracted the attention of men and women who are excited about participating with what God is doing and God is using them to enhance our own poor efforts.
Just last week a Presbyterian brother has offered funds for a seminary we are starting. A seminary that teaches believer's baptism exclusively.


Our ecclesiology is in Christ, not in a denomination, or a church building. By that I mean, He is our Head, and we are His church. Our Baptist distinctives are important, but secondary to our fellowship in Christ, which is most important. In the end, we may not have the same style of buildings (or even a building!) or denominational labels, but we share the same resurrected Lord, and we fellowship together as recipients of grace and partakers of divine salvation. I don't have the answers for all of our differences, but I do know the greatest unity we have we share in Christ.

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