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Joe Stewart

Excellent interview. I love this quote of Dagg's

We are bound to obey God in everything. No command which he has given can be so unimportant that we are at liberty to disobey it at our pleasure. When the finger of God points out the way, no place is left to us for human preferences. And when we know the will of God, we are not only bound to obey for ourselves, but also to teach others to obey, so far as they are brought under the influence of our instruction. We may, without arrogant assumption, declare what we are firmly persuaded to be the will of God; and we must then leave every one to the judgment of him to whom all must give account. The man who can disobey God, because the thing commanded is of minor importance, has not the spirit of obedience in his heart; and the man who, knowing the will of God, forbears to declare it, because the weight of human authority is against him, fears men more than God.




thanks. dagg always strikes fire...


I am out of town. a I have is my handheld. so I can't respond so well.

grace to you. with that, I am...

Tim Rogers

Brother Peter,

Great interview! One question. Am I understanding Dr. Dagg never pointed to a universal church in the sense all churches that are local are also universal?


Richard Coords

Excellent work, Peter. I frequently recommend your site to other Christians.

Have you done one of these types of interviews with Jacob Arminius? That might be a lot of fun.

Keith Schooley

Since Dagg admits a universal sense of ekklesia, it seems to me that his argument boils down largely to terminology: he prefers "universal" to "invisible." Granted, he rightly roots his understanding of ekklesia in the concept of "assembly," and so the "universal church" is a church only because it will one day "assemble" in the presence of the Lord. Would it then follow that the "universal church" may only be spoken of in the future tense?

If we're not to use the terms "visible" and "invisible," I'm not sure how we're supposed to make the distinction between the colloquial "church," (i.e., all the people who gather together on Sunday) and the true "church" (i.e., the actual blood-bought saints of God). Would that the two were identical, but as we all know.....


Keith Schooley, you expressed the thought that was on my mind. Since we cannot always distinguish between true believers and false professors (but knowing that most likely we have both in any local congregation), we must use some figurative distinction between the "visible" mixture and the "invisible" who are truly regenerate. Someone who is merely a professor but not a possessor of faith in Christ cannot be included in Christ's body in any meaningful sense that I can see, but because such things are hidden from our eyes, we can only talk in absolute terms about (the unseen) true believers belonging to Christ. If this can be true at a local congregational level, it can be true with all the churches since the Ascension of Christ, so it makes sense to speak of a "universal, invisible church" in my perspective, at the very least.

On another note, I'm getting really annoyed with Typepad. This is the third or fourth time that the Typepad site has pretended that I am logged in only to tell me I am not when I go to post my comments as all of the sudden my name and email address are required, which would not be case if I were truly signed in. I know what is happening: I have been deleting my cookies (to purge all tracking cookies and other web barnacles that afflict Internet surfers) by doing a "purge all" operation instead of laboriously deleting only the garbage ones. But I keep forgetting to truly sign in thinking that the Typepad site will recognize my status properly and require a full sign-in. Perhaps I am doing something wrong?

Joe Stewart

Would B. H. Carroll and Dagg enjoyed a cup of brew and similar sentiments on the ecclesia? Just wondering if you knew

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