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2006.09.30

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Timotheos

Hello Peter and Keith,

The article by Keith looks good and interesting, and deserves a thoughtful, propitious response, which I hope to take up the first part of next week, Deo volente. Have an enjoyable Lord's day, brethren. Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.

Timotheos

Keith Schooley

Thank you, Peter, for your generous links.

I would very much like your input, Timotheos. (Also Chris, when you get around to reading this.)

Just so you're all aware, I do moderate comments on my blog, but I'm happy to put up comments from other points of view.

Wayne Smith In His Name

Peter,
I posted this on Keith's Blog and believe these Bible berses put holes in Keith's story.

Lamb's Book of Life (ESV)

Joh 17:24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.

Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love

Phi 4:3 Yes, I ask you also, true companion, help these women, who have labored side by side with me in the gospel together with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.

Rev 3:5 The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.

Rev 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain.

Rev 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.

Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.

1Pe 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for your sake,

peter

My Brother Wayne,

Thank you for your participation here. I remain unsure exactly how the Bible verses you quote "put holes" in Keith's "story".

In addition, Brother Wayne, whatever Keith's post is, it definitively is not a "story". Rather his post is Biblical exegesis.

Agree with it or not, surely we owe someone respect enough, out of the courtesy our Lord insists, to accurately portray someone's words.

Have a great evening Brother Wayne. With that, I am...

Peter

Wayne Smith In His Name

Peter and Keith,

These Bible verses prove that God / Jesus / Holy Spirit, Elected /
Predestinated / Choose before Creation / The Foundation of the World
who would come to Salvation when Excepting Jesus Christ as theor Lord and Saviour. Their name were written in the Lamb’s Book of Life before the Foundation of the World.

In His Name

peter

Brother Wayne,

Unfortunately, my Brother Wayne, the verses you cite have no relevance--at least from my view--to Jesus' death in space and time and what His death accomplished on Calvary. John says in 1 John 2.2 that Christ's death on the Cross constituted a propitiation for "our sins" as well as the "sins of the whole world".

Hence, unless you possess a Bible verse that explicitly says Jesus died "only" for the Elect or "only" for the Sheep, or "only" for the Church, then I am compelled by my commitment to Scripture to accept the face value of Apostolic revelation that Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for the whole world.

If you've got around to reading my latest post, what stands overly-humorous to me is that John Calvin apparently agrees with me rather than modern Calvinists about the extent of the Atonement :)

Have a peace-filled evening, Wayne.

With that, I am...

Peter

Wayne Smith In His Name

Peter,

I find it very sad that you get hung up on one Bible verses, instead of excepting the 11 verses I posted. 11 to 1

In His Name

Wayme Smith

peter

Dear Wayne,

It appears obvious that neither of us can see clearly the other's point of view. What you count as 11 to 1, I see as 1 to zero, favoring the Apostle John.

It seems best for us to move on from this thread. I shall pray to our Lord for greater light as I travel my journey home.

Know I respect you as a Brother in our Lord Jesus Christ. With that, I am...

Peter

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