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Apr 30, 2015

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Rick Patrick

As I stand to preach on Sunday, I will remember this story, and silently praise God for His inconsistency in striking down Non-Calvinist preachers!

dr, james willingham

When I read this posting, I thought it was a move back to a position of friendship and fellowship between Traditionalists and Calvinists (Sovereign Grace, if you please). Then I read Rick's comment, and was cast down. Wait until I can reply concerning an earlier posting where I hoped to get back and reply after some health issues. Hopefully, I will be able to evaluate the materials I obtained which, while maintaining the positions for both and allowing for people to change their minds (either way), will provide a better appreciation of the vis-à-vis position attained by the Separates and Regulars in the period of 1787-1806.

Lydia

I am sure the stress of the preceding heresy witch hunt had nothing to do with it. Sigh. Reminds me that some reformers thought a woman was innocent of witchcraft if-she did not sink when thrown in bound, but floated! Dead either way, of course.

That was Gods way of telling them.

Max

Lydia,

Regarding bad calls on floating witches, I can hear the old reformers saying "Shucks, wrong again!" In reference to the article at hand, I wonder if God might start cleaning out the pulpit in that way before this SBC theological debate is over.

Lydia

Max,

Here is something they did not know in 1789: Severe stress can kill you. It almost sounds like a stroke.

Throughout much of Christian history (which is why I cannot stand appeals to church history for truth) everything that happened was considered either a punishment from God or His favor. Of course, that would mean powerful,
wealthy safe church leaders were being favored by God. (That thinking is back in vogue)

So match up those two and imagine the outcomes! So, in this situation, was God showing His favor to Mr. Frost's heresy hunters by striking him down as he began to preach? Those ignorant and cruel people thought so. And you can bet many today would believe it, too, or they don't believe what they teach others to believe.

Max

Lydia writes "... was God showing His favor to Mr. Frost's heresy hunters by striking him down as he began to preach?"

Lydia, I hope the contention hasn't got bad enough in some SBC circles that there are brethren wishing secretly that God would nuke some of us. What love is that?

Lydia

"When I read this posting, I thought it was a move back to a position of friendship and fellowship between Traditionalists and Calvinists (Sovereign Grace, if you please)"

Dr. James, I hope you are feeling better. I am not sure I understand where you are coming from with the above considering the history of the last 10 years or so in the SBC. What sort of "friends" keep telling you that you do not know the "True Gospel"? What sort of friends declare that if we are not Calvinists we do not want to see the nations rejoice for Christ?

None of the Calvinist leaders of the SBC have made any public statements that they have been wrong in how they approached the Calvinist resurgence and affirmed the behavior of the YRR they trained. In fact, just the opposite. Including promoting/protecting some nefarious people like CJ Mahaney and Driscoll all in the name of "correct Sovereign Grace Doctrine".

If that is the behavior of "friends", no thanks. Everyone keeps skirting the "trust" issue when it comes to unity and friendship. As if none of it ever happened. That is not healthy.

Max

"None of the Calvinist leaders of the SBC have made any public statements that they have been wrong in how they approached the Calvinist resurgence and affirmed the behavior of the YRR they trained."

Lydia, why would they do that?! New Calvinism, with its misbehaving YRR, has accomplished what the Old Calvinists in SBC could not via their years of quiet revolution ... the Calvinization of the Southern Baptist Convention. The old guard may not agree with the methodology of this young breed, nor the non-SBC reformed entities they have aligned themselves with (Acts 29, T4G, Sovereign Grace, etc.), but the old guys put up with New Calvinism because it is pushing reformed theology to the forefront quickly. In the meantime, SBC's non-Calvinist majority may not be dropping dead in the pulpit and pews, but will pass from the scene within one generation as New Calvinists take complete control of the SBC wheel. A change in eccesiology always follows a shift in theology ... the next generation of SBC belief and practice will be no exception.

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