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Jun 18, 2014

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John Hutchinson

You quote

"much as modern Calvinists want to claim Edwards, they would likely have a hard time having him as their minister"

Jonathan Edwards had a hard time in his own era. He was kicked out from his own Northampton church by a vote of 90%.

It is not entirely a fair historical comparison between Edwards and our time. In those days, the Great Awakening was reacting to the intellectualist speculations of Calvinist scholasticism. In our day, the New Calvinism is a reaction to the incoherent theological flubber in NeoEvangelical circles. Reactions invariably tend toward extreme pendularity, if that is a word.

peter lumpkins

Thanks, John. Yes, Edwards was run out of town by the same community that shook in their shoes when he preached his "Angry God" sermon. Hopper cataloged this in her essay.

I'm not following your objection to Hopper, however--"It is not entirely a fair historical comparison between Edwards and our time." I don't think she'd disagree that Edwards addressed different voices than Neo-Calvinists today. Using categories to fit your objection, I think her counter-point could be, "Yes, Edwards answered scholasticism, but did so with emotion and heart while today's Neo-Calvinists answer emotion and heart with scholasticism. As Hopper concluded, Neo-Calvinism is a movement of the mind

dr. james willingham

We might be at the beginning of a Third Great Awakening, but we still have some distance to go. The full implications of the Sovereignty of God and how it relates to evangelism, worship, missions, prayer, etc., has yet to be realized. Prayer for this visitation has been going on for over 150 years. Spurgeon prayed for such a visitation. G. Campbell Morgan, D.M. Lloyd-Jones, and the Evangelist Rolfe Barnard prayed all their years for such a blessing. The latter figure declared that it would likely not come until every evidence of deadness had been manifested. I have been praying for this Awakening since the Fall of 1973, when I spoke to the Pastors Prayer Meeting of the Sandy Creek Baptist Association on the subject of A Great Awakening. I spoke again to that prayer group on its 5th and 10th anniversary on the subject, A Third Great Awakening. Sandy Creek grew out of the labors of Shubal Stearns and his brother-in-law Daniel Marshall who were converted during the First Great Awakening, the former being converted under Ev. George Whitefield. The Association also experienced the Second Great Awakening with as many as 500 being converted at one church on a Sunday morning. Unfortunately, the records have disappeared or been destroyed, the forces of evil being awakened by such assault. O yes, and Sandy Creek with the encouragement of Rev. Luther Rice helped to launch Southern Baptists into the Great Century of Missions or the modern missionary movement. The visitation is coming, overwhelming, irresistible, universal, unstoppable, bringing glory to God in Christ for the next thousand generations and on quadrillions of planets as man kind goes to the stars, all so the angels can gather the elect from one end of the heavens to the other.

Andrew Barker

"The visitation is coming, overwhelming, irresistible, universal, unstoppable, bringing glory to God in Christ for the next thousand generations and on quadrillions of planets as man kind goes to the stars, all so the angels can gather the elect from one end of the heavens to the other."

Dr. Willingham, I would suggest such hyperbole are more suited for episodes of Star Trek than the present topic?

Scott Shaver

Andrew Barker

The older I get the less I question the visions, dreams and insights of those who've tread the path before me ... no matter how grandiose or bizarre they might sound.

Maybe Dr. Willingham sees or senses something we can't. Perhaps not. He still deserves my respect.

Lydia

Dr J, Did you hear about the revival at Asbury College in 1970? It started with small prayer groups but the actual revival came out of confession of sin. It seems it was in and of itself "missions" and "evangelism". Most importantly, the focus ended up being on how they lived out the Kingdom of God now.

I could be wrong as I was not there or old enough to be there. I just know what I have read, heard testimony of what took place from others who were there.

Andrew Barker

Scott, point taken. I don't mind vision, or dreams in those of us who've reached the appropriate age, but I have to say mankind going to the stars? It's a step too far for me I'm afraid.

Scott Shaver

I cannot disagree Andrew.

Surface of a star doesn't sound like a place I want to be either pre or post resurrection body.

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