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Nov 14, 2013

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Max

It's clear at this point that Dr. Mohler doesn't give a big whoop what Southern Baptists at large think about his affiliation with Mahaney/SGM or any other issue which he holds dearly to his heart. There is no accountability structure in the Southern Kingdom - kings answer to no one.

But God ...

peter lumpkins

Thanks Max. I think you're right. It certainly appears to be the case. And that's precisely why only the trustees can fix this. And fix it they could if they but would.

Max

Peter - Perhaps the dilemma by some SBTS trustees is "fix it they would if they but could."

Lydia

Just one more sign that Mohler was given way too much power too young was able to consolidate it, is now untouchable and KNOWS it.

He is not even being circumspect. He is "in your face" with his support of Mahaney the child molester protector, Apostle of the People of Destiny and blackmailer. Oh sure, he did the typical PR move by taking the T4G facebook statement of support for Mahaney down. But guess what? Most negative comments were coming from the Reformed crowd! That was a different take. Besides, Facebook allows commenting and they have less control in a venue where people are used to commenting.

Stick a fork in it, folks. The SBC is done. Mohler is the face of the SBC now. He rules, controls most of the entities with his followers and the other leaders are too intimidated to even question him publicly. His being on the Unity committee was a joke as he has been the most political and divisive leader in the SBC. It has been about amassing power since day one. First in a culture war while building the Reformed brand at SBTS to be ground zero.

He will be rememeberd not for that but for dividing the SBC or it's demise. He will be emperor of a new Reformed coalition of Acts29, Presbyterians, SGM (what is left), and other reformed groups using SBC money.

BTW: Where is the Great Commission Baptist Seminary? Their signs are stil the same.

Max

"He rules, controls most of the entities with his followers and the other leaders are too intimidated to even question him publicly ... It has been about amassing power since day one."

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. Intimidation and manipulation are not spiritual gifts.

Scott Shaver

All I can say is this:

Mothers, don't let your babies grow up to graduates of SBC seminaries ...avoid church plants.

Sad to think this is what it's come down to.

Paul Owen

Scott,

Avoid church plants is a very insightful piece of advice. And a sad commentary on the state of the church today. There seems to be something corrupt about the current system of church planting that almost certainly guarantees faulty foundations to these new churches.

Brandon Caudill

"...avoid church plants."

Scott,

While I get your concern (trust me, brother, I share the concern!), I don't understand why you would make such a blanket statement concerning SBC church plants. Believe it or not, there are some SBC church plants that are not of the Neo-Reformed persuasion. Furthermore, there are God-called church planters (such as myself) who do not desire to plant such churches. Instead, we desire to plant true SBC churches that reflect true SBC practices and beliefs. I think that church planting has gotten a bad enough reputation among Traditional Southern Baptists from the current wave of Reformed plants and planters; let's not further tarnish it with such negative statements.

Truth and love, brother. God bless.

John Jordan

So Peter, do you know what childcare policies SGM churches have in place that currently make them lacking in this area?

Scott Shaver

Couldn't agree with you more Paul Owen.

Trapper

Lydia wrote:

> Stick a fork in it, folks. The SBC is done. Mohler is the face
> of the SBC now. He rules, controls most of the entities with his
> followers and the other leaders are too intimidated to even
> question him publicly. His being on the Unity committee was a
> joke as he has been the most political and divisive leader in
> the SBC. It has been about amassing power since day one.

That needed to be said again....

...and will need to be said over and over again and again for years. I've said to more than a few that I'll be shocked to see the SBC worth being a member of again in my lifetime.


Paul Owen wrote:

> There seems to be something corrupt about the current system
> of church planting that almost certainly guarantees faulty
> foundations to these new churches.

Indeed. I wasn't the least bit surprised to see The Baptist Press "reporting" on a new Ohio plant yesterday (bragging about Calvinist advancement is its new and sole job), and I wasn't the least bit surprised to see that that plant is targeting one of Ohio's wealthiest zip codes with the message of an elite elect that can't help but be who they are but now must support the message of Calvinism with their money and power.

Evil isn't the stuff you see in horror movies or the stuff that police confront...real evil isn't 180 degrees from God (that's just too easy to spot and not fall victim to)....the worst evil is that which is at 90 or 270 degrees to God while claiming to be aiming right for Him.

Bigfatdrummer

Brandon, you and me just recently had this conversation at my house. Bro, it is what it is when it comes to church planting. The overall thrust of church planting through NAMB has become a Calvinist machine because those guys cannot get a church coming out of seminary. Are there church plants/planters out there that are not of this sway? Absolutely, but the overall view (the blanket if you will) is that of the Calvinist scheme. It is the same that can be said about SBTS. Are there any non-Calvinists at SBTS? Absolutely, but you and I both know that SBTS is a Calvinist seminary...which is why neither of us will go there.

Scott Shaver

Brandon:

Until you can show or list some recent church plants under SBC sponsorship that don't fit the mold of which we speak, I'll be willing to redesign my blanket statement.

Until that time I'm looking with jaundiced eyes at all of them.

Scott Shaver

A least I'll have the comfort of knowing they won't be built on any of my tithes and offerings.

Max

I hear the concerns of both Scott and Brandon re: church plants. It's a crying shame that any Southern Baptist would view church plants in a negative way. Unfortunately, New Calvinism has put a whole new slant on planting churches. It's more about planting theology as quickly as possible before SBC funding dries up. Of the numerous SBC plants in my area, most (if not all) appear to be reformed.

Max

I guess we need to let up on Dr. Mohler. After all, he has a bigger stack of books than the rest of us: http://www.abpnews.com/ministry/people/item/9029-mahaney-mohler-share-speaker-platform#.Uo1lgeJ29fY

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