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Feb 28, 2012

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Tim Rogers

Brother Peter,

Wow!!! That is all I can say, Wow!!!. And people thought Gerald Harris was over the top.

Blessings,
Tim

Bob Hadley

I personally think it is time that something be done to move the direction of the SBC out of Louisville.

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Jon

Peter,

Do you have the link to the full address?

lmalone

"I personally think it is time that something be done to move the direction of the SBC out of Louisville. "

It is being done, Bob. No worries. SBTS is now a GCB institution.

Anyone have a list of who (as in SBC "officials") was on the name change "unofficial" task force? That ought to give everyone a clue as to how this will fall in line.

Bruce H.

"Calvinism is the shape of the future, because the options otherwise don’t very much exist" Dr. Al Mohler

"When will Southern Baptists finally admit we're facing an inevitable head-on collision with aggressive Calvinism in the Southern Baptist Convention?' Peter Lumpkin

ARE WE TO BELIEVE THAT DR. AL MOHLER MEANT "AGGRESSIVE CALVINISM" EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NEVER STATED THAT WAY? THAT, TO ME, WOULD BE A BIT OF A STRETCH FOR ANYONE TO TRY TO ACHIEVE WITHOUT DESTROYING REPUTATIONS AND STAINING THE DENOMINATION AS A WHOLE. LOOKING FORWARD TO READING YOUR UPCOMING POST.

Hobart M. Tucker

Peter,

Did any of the editors challenge him on this statement? Will any of them write up this bold assertion?

-- HMT

peter lumpkins

All,

Thanks for your contributions.

I'm quite sure many SBC Calvinists will unequivocally charge me with taking his words from context. You know, like when Dr. Mohler said basically the same thing in a Christianity Today story in 2010, I was charged with “taking him from context.”  In addition, when I linked to a video quoting Mohler telling Kevin DeYoung and Ligon Duncan the same thing in perhaps even stronger words during a panel discussion on the "New Calvinism" amongst evangelicalism posted on The Gospel Coalition website in Oct 2010, I was accused of ignoring the “contextual audience” and making false inferences from his actual words. Similarly many Mohler apologists will, in effect, tell us once again, concerning these latest words, something like this:

“You are stupid. You can’t read. You obviously don’t hear what he’s actually saying. You’re just stupid. You need to learn proper reading and listening skills. You’re taking him from his context. He’s speaking to a group of Southern Baptist journalists. Therefore, his words cannot be ripped from their context intended for them. They are journalists. Journalists will hear him differently than other people. Therefore, don’t be stupid. Be smart. Read what Mohler actually says.”    

I'll let the reader be the judge. I will do my best to upload the entire manuscript as a link in the next post (with a couple of 'black-outs' in due respect for Dr. Mohler).

With that, I am...
Peter

P.S. if you want your comment posted, then be civil. I don’t mind disagreement. Be my guest. But if you expect your comments to post (especially 1st time commenters), then, at minimum, play the role of a hypocrite.

Mark Payton

I personally believe SBC ought to do to Southern Seminary what KBC did to Georgetown College kick them out

Douglas Belardi

the name change should have been to Synergistic Baptist Convocation

at least we don't have to worry about SBC orthodoxy with Ed Young Jr, Perry Noble or Rick Warren

or Beth Moore

JND

"When will Southern Baptists finally admit we're facing an inevitable head-on collision with aggressive Calvinism in the Southern Baptist Convention?"

A most excellent question!

I'm old enough to remember when more or less the same question was asked with the word "Fundamentalism" in place of the phrase "aggressive Calvinism."

So -- will the Calvinist Takeover be called the Reformed Resurgence?

I’m thinking that the answer is “no,” in that everybody knows that Great Commission Baptists have always been Calvinists.

peter lumpkins

Now, now, my brother JND. You very may be revealing your understanding of Baptist history is not as nuanced as your studied field of discipline. In fact, there is enough material on this site alone to easily overturn your premise.

Have a great day.

Witt that, I am...
Peter

adam

Do you think Dr. Mohler has been waiting for this current type of climate to start saying things like this openly? With so many of the great leaders like Dr. Rogers, Dr. Vines, Bailey Smith, and others either home with the Lord or somewhat marginalized, Dr. Mohler may sense that there is no one of credibility to oppose him or to say he's overstepping, or even that maybe its time for him to go.

Donald Holmes

JND,
The biggest difference between Creeping Calvinism and the Conservative Resurgence is that the CR was supported by the presence of Intuitive Conservatives that make up the vast majority of Southern Baptist. Dr. Patterson describes this majority: "These were sweet believers who embraced the best about everything. They were conservative doctrinally but not always sure why, and they tended to believe the best about their leaders, though doubts were growing."
Once this majority of SBCers became aware of the methods available to effect change and the necessity of doing so, the CR became a real possibility. Creeping Calvinism has no such resource and will most likely recede into the background again in a decade or so; unless of course, this majority of SBCers become once again aware of the methods available to effect change and the necessity of doing so. Then, it might happen much more quickly.

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