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Jan 13, 2012

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Peter, you are doing a yeoman's work here that those who have promoted Driscoll for many years should have done.

I have come across several blogs where the same is being done to Driscoll and more and more is coming out. One is a former member of Mars Hill who sat through many a sex sermon and Q&A. Now with this book and the timeline, the former member sees that Driscoll was being hypocritical. I think he was probably preaching to his wife. Seems for most of the time Driscoll was hammering on this topic there was serious dysfunction in his marriage.

More and more this looks like a desparate man, a bully and is willing to use preaching for personal gain in several areas of his life. And we wondered why sex was so very important to him.

But even worse is that he has preached all along that women are easily deceived and should stay home but now with all the backlash to his book, Grace is all of a sudden a media communications expert. See here: http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/

Some interesting blogs:

http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/ (former member very fair to Mark on doctrinal issues)

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/03/what-bible-really-says-about-sex/ (Driscoll article on Fox about sex)

http://driscontinuity.tumblr.com/post/15231214839/cant-find-a-quote-make-one-up (This guys does fact checking on Driscoll's words)

Imalone

Thanks for the kudos. It's time to get real concerning some of the peripheral issues celebrity pastors have attempted to impose upon traditional Christianity.

With that, I am...

Peter

Peter,
There seems to be a real disconnect between what you are doing in this series of articles and what gets discussed in the comment sections. You are working through the argument of a book and analyzing it. That should happen with all writings like this. What I see happening in the comments are nothing less than character assassination and the assigning of motives to Driscoll that may or may not be there.
I'm also sensing from several comments here that Driscoll should not have been talking about marriage while his was difficult. If we only allow pastors to preach who completely have their act together, how many preachers will we have left?

Scott,

Thanks. There's always going to be a disjointedness concerning a post and the thread. So, I don't know what you're wanting to state actually. I've addressed some who've focused exclusively on the thread and not so much as breathed a faint syllable about the post.

Thanks.

With that, I am...
Peter

Scott,

There may be a question as to whether Driscoll should have stepped down from leadership during the troubled times of his marriage. Maybe there's a questio of hypocrisy if he was teaching on marriage as an expert who thought he had it all figured out at the time. I don't see anyone saying that only people with perfect marriages (which don't exist) should give marriage advice. The questions are about the type of advice and how the advice is being given.

As far as character assassignation and assigning motives. This is always brought up. What are we supposed to do - read and listen to idiocy and then not say a word because someone's going to come along and say "that's not nice." The man chooses to be in the public eye. His wife has chosen to put herself in the public eye. His words and his actions are going to be examined and critqued. He's supposed to be a manly man. Manly men don't pitch temper tantrums and whine when someone says "you know you shouldn't be acting that way and talking that way. It just shows you as a first class jerk."

Scott, I am trying to figure out something. Driscoll has made sex and gender roles a huge focus of his ministry. Manly men. Deceieved women and sex. He has websites on Q&A that cannot even be linked from many Christian blogs because they are so explicit. I have been following him since he was the cussing pastor in Blue Like Jazz.

Now, we find out, that whole time he is preaching this...his FOCUS....telling people what to do in marriage and promoting sodomy.... his marriage was dysfunctional and he was angry about it. Scott, he put his life out there for us to analyze. Yet, you are offended when we do. Some people are very keen to compartmentalize Driscoll. And I certainly understand that if I had been promoting him for years. But, in fact, this book is the only logical outcome to the Driscoll I have followed for years. It was not shock to me at all. I know a selfish bully when I see one. His very words and deeds over the years were proof enough. But so many decided not to look a little closer at why such things were his focus. I see things. Remember? And now he tells the world he "saw" his wife having sex before marriage. Did you really need to know that? Is it sin for me to mention it now?

Fortunately for us, Driscoll did include footnotes so the references could be double-checked. Sadly, as you mention, few will ever check his footnotes. I've had some experience with writing and publishing, though I am by no means an expert. I realize mistakes are made which are never caught in the editing process. These could be mistakes, but interestingly both mistakes are in Driscoll's favor and help underscore what he is saying and skew the original. The first you mention might be more likely a mistake than the secon, in accidentally leaving out something. It seems rather unlikely that the key word "oral" was accidentally inserted.

The bigger picture to me is that with the portion of the book available, and the extent of other quotes available from you and others online, the book is obviously biased and unbiblical. Even if all the footnotes were kosher and without deliberate or accidental error, the book doesn't present a valid biblical view of marriage. Don't buy it and don't recommend it to others is the clear option.

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