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Jan 19, 2010

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volfan007

Peter,

While I agree with what you're saying here, I still wouldn't care if we changed the name, or not. I see what you're saying....exactly. I think you've hit the nail on the head, once again. But, I wouldnt lose too much sleep if everyone decides to change the name.

Hey, I really liked your illustration of Northwest Airlines, etc. not hurting their business. Classic. Also, showing Israel's desire to be like all the other countries around them leading to King Saul. Wooooo hooo, Bro. That's what's happening a lot in Churches today. Sadly.

David

peter

David,

Thanks. To be honest, I could not agree with you more. With you, I haven't a plug nickel's worth of sacredness for "southern' in the Southern Baptist Convention. Now "Baptist" on the other hand does hold more weight with me, I confess.

For me, the real issue is, why are GCTF members focusing on peripheral issues at best? Nobody is going to hell because we have 'southern' attached to our name; we are not bad stewards of CP dollars because we have 'southern' attached to our name; vision won't be greater than it already is if we don't have 'southern' attached to our name; we won't become more 'gospel-centered' if we don't have 'southern' attached to our name; churches won't give more to the CP if we don't have 'southern' attached to our name; more churches won't be planted if we don't have 'southern attached to our name...

Just as God counseled Samuel He'd look on the inside when choosing the second king over Israel, in direct contrast to Israel who chose Saul because he was a 'foot taller' than everybody else and was one stud of a handsome male specimen, is it going to make a difference for the Kingdom of God if the SBC outwardly changes their name when inwardly it remains the same?

I do long for the 'good ole days.' But it's not the 'good ole days' some of our brothers today think. I long for a time when the universal answer to the church's problems was a good old-fashioned, heaven-sent, Holy Ghost revival...a time, a season, a call to prayer, pleading with God to bless us or we die.

Instead, those with the microphone are issuing appeals to drop 'southern' in "Southern Baptist Convention" or we will die. What in Sam Hill's name are these guys talking about? So far as sober reason goes, they speak in unknown tongues.

Sorry for the sermon.

Grace, David.

With that, I am...
Peter

selahV

Peter, I rather like your commental sermon. Kinda makes me think of Kentucky Fried Chicken; it is and always will be the chicken that makes the difference in whether folks buy a bucket of the real thing there or squashed chunks at their local burger joint. Maybe we could just identify ourselves as SBC, like Kentucky Fried Chicken identifies itself as KFC. Initials work in today's world. FYI, BTW, LOL, JK. :) selahV

Phil Leslie

Frankly, in order for the SBC to change its name effectively, it must have an identity. And I'm not sure we've established that yet.

peter

Phil,

Thanks for logging on. I fear we're buzzing on two different fuels, Phil. No identity? Ummm....

Grace for your day.

With that, I am...
Peter

volfan007

Phil,

NO identity? Really?

lol

Peter, I completely agree with what you're saying about the change we need in the SBC. We do need a mighty moving of God's Spirit thru out our Churches. That's what we really and truly need.

David

Big Daddy Weave

Peter,

Were the SBC to change her name, I do wonder whether J.D. Greear would then question the value of keeping "Baptist" in the new name?

Perhaps the dumbest name change I've seen came a year or two ago when the Baptist General Conference changed its name to CONVERGE WORLDWIDE!

Left in the hands of a hipper, younger generation, I'm sure that the more post-modern, emerging crowd in the SBC could come up with something sillier than Converge Worldwide for the SBC...

peter

SelahV,

You've made a great observation comparing SBC and FYI, IMHO, ETC. And, most of us do use the "SBC" most of the time.

Grace today, my SelahV.

With that, I am...
Peter

peter

BDW,

It's interesting you post your valid point about the young dudes. I had the same thought on the "Excursion" I just posted. :^)

Grace.

With that, I am...
Peter

Patrick

From what I hear out of the blogosphere, the word Southern isn't the issue. It's the word Baptist that is being abandoned. I'd go ahead and change it to "Presbyterians That Baptize Adults as Well", or PTBAAW for short.

Les Puryear

Peter,

I fear this effort to change our name is more attributable to the "coolness" factor than anything else. Our name just doesn't sound cool.

As for the negative viewpoint associated with our name by many people, a name change isn't the answer. That issue needs to be addressed more deeply than just within the context of changing a name.

Quick fixes may work in worldly matters (which I doubt), but they are rarely the right approach in spiritual matters. Let us not be influenced by culture but be influencers of culture.

Good post.

Les

volfan007

Patrick,

:) That's funny. lol

Or, maybe we can change it to "Cool Believers Who Are Creative in Approaching God Dudes?" I guess that would be CBWACAGD for short. :)

David

Patrick

It was meant to be funny and not a flame. After I read it on screen it looked kinda mean. Sorry guys.

volfan007

Patrick,

I thought it was just funny, Brother.

David

Dave Miller

I pastor in Iowa. My desire to take Southern out of the name has nothing to do with wanting to be cool or any shame over being Baptist. If the SBC wants to be a regional denomination, Southern is perfect. And in places like Iowa, it is counterproductive. It places us as foreigners in the frozen north.

Changing the name of the SBC would be a blessing to Baptists outside the deep south.

peter

Dave,

Your point had more teeth in the 1950's when no ever dreamed of naming a "Southern" Baptist church "Fellowship Church", "The Octagon" "Church on the Way" or a million other church names some as creative or even goofy as one wants to be, while nonetheless being a loyal SBC church. That was no option to them. They did not think in those categories. It is to you and any other church in the SBC now, however. It's even encouraged.

Nor is there heretofore any marshaled evidence other than a few anecdotal tales that "southern" in "Southern Baptist" remains definitively "counterproductive" as you say. If so, please point me to it.

With that, I am...
Peter

Dave Miller

I have worked as an Iowa Baptist for nearly 20 years. It is a hindrance here. It tells Iowa Baptists that we are extraneous, not really a part of things because we are not really Southern.

peter

Fine, Dave. Collect the evidence and publish it for examination. You very well may be the catalyst who finally changed the name of the SBC.

With that, I am...
Peter

peter

By the way, Dave. Why are you commenting here? You live in Iowa and I live in Georgia. This is a regional blog...a SOUTHERN regional blog. You just don't belong....;^)

With that, I am...
Peter

Dave Miller

It is called "SBC" Tomorrow.

Dave Miller

Maybe you could call it BC Tomorrow.

John

How about World Baptists or, if that's not big enough, Universal Baptists. That should cover enough territory.

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